Filter Churches. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. He lived a sinless and exemplary life, died on the cross in our place, and rose again to prove His victory and empower us . We are a local New Testament church reaching the Phoenix area with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. halftruth and deception ministries. IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. I myself wear pants and outside of church most of the other women do too. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. The first Baptist church in New York was started by William Wichendon, in 1656. So far newere at IFB church (if is is refered to as one by a IFB site think) & has not as far as I know been told must. I think it is exactly right to see that without divine drawing, no one ever would come to Christ. You have it backwards. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. Im not saying thats the case only sharing my experience & by Gods grace I have done so I believe. In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. I already addressed the 1st point regarding them being under Mosaic Law vs us if you read all youlll find them incl how Jesus spoke to similar crowd regarding what is Adultery, etcalso I already explained its not mandatory & no one says you better or must incl where I;m atI already explained how Jesus stated it was not to be undone while He expanded on what should have been done of which they failedif it was all about Mosaic law only they would probally I think be in compliance but Christ fulfilled & was teaching in consitency with that. How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? In fact Jesus emphatically stated in Matt. Found you after all this time!!! Many churches were organized in the following years. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? NOT ONE. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. Select worship style. My study of the word psalms is that it includes singing with a musical instrument. These distinctives are the distinctives taught in Bible which constitute a true New Testament church. For example when Jesus said to not store up treasures on earth where they would persih but in HeavenI believe Hes refering to at least in part some Godly endeavors (that often take money)that we do for His namesake. I know that we dont use argriculture in the same way they did. To call these people Baptists or Baptistic, in the sense the believed the Bible and followed it as their sole authority for faith and practice, in the same way true Baptist churches do today, is acceptable, although it serves no purpose. We don't have enough information about safety, we need to dig a little deeper before we make the call. (See also Gal. In 1995 the group reported 69,857 members and 670 congregations. Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. They called themselves Baptists because that was the best name they could choose to describe what they believed and the name identified them a Bible believing people. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. When a congregation results from the preaching of the Gospel, authenticating that congregation as a New Testament church rests solely on its doctrine and practice.not in its affiliation. Thanks but addressed all points. 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. Im not sure about this one. The pastor's name is Kevin Draganac. He, however, continued to preach by holding services in his own home. 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). 1 Timothy 5:17 Deception, 61. But it seems bottom line the wealth & sacrifce of it to kingdom building remains the same. I hope you come back to comment more. The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. I already estb basis of why Tithing I believe is good (must read all post under Lynne). Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. We are looking for passionate defenders of the faith and offer a viable alternative to New Evangelical and compromising mission boards. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Under grace we can give as much as we like. Tithing preceded the NT and ended with the establishment of the New Covenant. Some Baptists such as the Landmark Baptist and those often referred to as As for being responsible to share the gospel with those whom God has put in our path; our daily life should show we are different by our character and the way we live. These New Testament believers rejected every attempt to include them in with the other churches who compromised and accepted the Roman governments money, rule and authority. Its derived from two possible origins: 1. Tithing is a good thing to do & I believe God can be glorified if done with right heart, intent & purporses. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. 6.) One of the most unsettling things to experience is dealing with corruption in power. It is well also to note that these five distinctives are traits also of the true New Testament church! No Law we are obligated to in the sense they have any weight of sins being dealt withfor Jesus done away with sins. The center of Baptist activity in the colonies was in the Philadelphia area, and Baptists held regular general meetings of the churches for devotional and evangelistic purposes there. G.L. Shortly after the Church of England fell from grace when the English monarch was overthrown and the Presbyterians became the favored church of the state. So Im guessing that pretty much every Church other than Ivor Church has a dress code. Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. Martin Luther until his death held to this false sentiment and disputed with the Swiss reformer Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), over the matter. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. It is difficult to trace Baptist churches down through history. Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. He did not belong to, nor was part of the any ekklesia. Yes he baptized, but His baptism was the baptism of repentance (Matt. 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to BTW, my Church of Christ neighbor and I were good friends, and looked out for each other. One man Hanserd Knolleys, is an example of dissenter of the Church of England who had to flee to America. Greek Orthodox Churches; Unity Churches; Lutheran Churches; Eastern Orthodox Churches; No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. It was founded by Roger Williams, according to the teachings and example of the New Testament. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. I am a former fundamental baptist member, I would like to request any assistance on clarification regarding the contradictions of doctrine of Paul and Jesus. 8.) (Hebrews 4:15-16 and 10:19-22) Despite his views he was made the pastor of the church in Salem. The cops accused them of urinating in the water. Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. This directory, containing close to 10,000 churches and counting, is aimed at getting you the information you need when you need it. I went on to share with her that in that same passage it says, singing psalms, hymns (which by the way modern churches are throwing out) and spiritual songs. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. They are the only group into modern times whose churches were founded on the Scriptures alone and not on the traditions or works of some man. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. Jesus as clearly as the Son of God could tells us says (John 6:37-39,43 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. @greg Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. Knolleys was under deep conviction of the need to preach the New Testament and follow its example as ones rule of faith. They do not find support in the Bible for such a requirement. They do not accept that authority was given to any particular man, pope, prophet, group or church on earth to be the means of the salvation of men. So just these few examples demonstrate why many people, including me have a hard time understanding this ancient translation. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. The only time I ever dressed up was for Job interviews. Just because everyone else is doing it doesnt mean its correct. The line of English churches that can be traced, who called themselves Baptists, began in 1610 in Holland. God knows if he ever accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour. I do dislike what seems to be human effort in trying to do what only the Spirit of God can do through a clear presentation of the word of God. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. Some have pointed to the Anabaptists as the examples of early Baptist churches. It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. The New Testament teaches that Christ is the head of the church,(Eph. So what is the solution? Christians should be recognized by their love for Jesus and one another. However, John the Baptist was an Old Testament saint and the last Old Testament prophet (Matt. Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. Cooper P. Abrams, III ALL RIGHTS RESERVED: This publication has been reprinted with permission from the author. [CDATA[ This free resource is here to help you find an independent Baptist church in your area or while traveling. They submit a request to become affiliated and then are supplied with a form to fill out. In answer your assumptions about me. The purpose of the Law being fullfilled we should do all good works in Christ for we are saved to do good works. A church which cannot answer yes to all of these questions cannot historically call itself a Baptist church. It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. Everyone knew this was a farce. Look at Ezekiel 33. No church in the NT took that label. I do like your nice touch of calling us idiots though. WHICH BIBLE YOU USE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE! It is well to note the Pilgrims were also Puritans, and Puritans were Protestants who had left the Church of England. Member churches are forbidden to affiliate with any denomination, and the fellowship, administered by annually elected trustees, cannot organize itself as a denomination. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. Such as The Church of Christ? It is one made up of baptized believers organized in a local congregation for fellowship, teaching and evangelism. S.J. After Henry VII separated England from the Roman Catholic Church the Baptist faired no better. John 10:10, 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. He showed me a . Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). They, however, will only fellowship or cooperate in joint meetings with churches of like belief. If lots of the Church congregation was wearing Scooby doo and sponge bob square pants costumes or swimsuits regularly to Church I would guess that some people would probably leave and look for another Church. It holds high the saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament and an unwavering commitment to carrying out the Great Commission, that is, to teach everywhere the truth of Gods Word. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians. In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity. We use our monetary resources alone. I would prefer just wearing casual clothes like I do just about every time. 78. Fortunately my current pastor, though still somewhat legalistic, has studied and understands that tithing was for Jews under the old covenant/law, Im just hoping he keeps studying about some other issues, but you know all of us are learning and growing (hopefully). Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. Independent Baptist Directory of Churches. Im sorry Brother Irv, but you are wrong. My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). Its ugly and frustrating. I would also venture to say the same of you, which you said of me. (1 Tim. If I was wearing a sponge Bob square pants costume while leading worship I would probably be asked to change into something more appropriate. Our lives reflect the light of Christ. May God bless Bob. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. Ivor Church is the only one I know of where you can virtually come as you are. I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. About this time the Puritans were also becoming strong in England. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. All Independent Baptist Church The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church - Monaca, PA No Reviews Favorite Claimed? Virginia was especially harsh in religious persecutions. To preach the Bible without the rituals of the Church of England was against the law. (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23) Priesthood of the Believer. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. Any way dont want to lie on any church. In 1688 a Baptist church was organized at Pennepeck, Pennsylvania with twelve members. Our goal is to send out missionaries, home and abroad, that will start independent, fundamental Baptist churches. Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. All others miss-use the name. Yes, we do preach not to be unequally yolked with non-belivers and I agree with that. Thousands of Southern Baptist Churches didn't baptize a single convert last year. The true Independent Fundamental Baptists have no association or fellowship with these churches because they teach or practice things contrary to the New Testament. 4:11) or leader of the congregation. I do attend the Church of Christ. Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. An Independent Baptist Church would not be apart of a national organization that would exercise authority over the local church. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. Share this: Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. I do however disagree with anyone mandating that a tenth should go to them & to the church as they see fit only (like giving some to other Christiann Ministries, some to local churche , etc) or that even mandates a tithe. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. Im referring to a mistake I made in my fairly long comment, which you may not have seen yet, once you do youll understand I was correcting a statement in my next to last paragraph. Seeking to be faithful to the Word of God, the early Bible church movement sought to provide fellowship, counsel, and cooperation. Please anyone readng this, go back and take a couple weeks and seriously read through the gospels again, over and over, our Lord talks about, and condemns pharisees and others for dressing up the outside and not being concerned about the inside, btw if the inside is right the outside will follow. Thank you for writing back. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. My sister left the church years ago and is living in sin (even by the standards of other denominations so please dont take it out of context), but I talk to her every day. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. I agree! Steve must have been on vacation or something. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. greg, Independent, Fundamental, King James, Mission Minded Our Service Times Are: Sunday Morning Worship -. Later in history, around 600 AD, Austin, Catholic monk, was sent to Britain by Pope Gregory the Great. Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. A prime example of the dangers of belonging to a convention is seen in the apostate Southern Baptist Convention. The mighty IFB has spoken It looks like I'm wasting my time. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. when the apostle Peter was fishing he stripped and was naked while he was fishing (John 21:7). I would either be kicked out or asked to put on something to wear. But Im pretty sure we can agree that If I showed up to your Church naked i would probably not be allowed in. Read all (mor ethan on epost under name Lynne). Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man . A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Just some thoughts. Knolleys joined other dissenters left England. when I said I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. In recent years the news media has called doctrinally unsound church such as the Charismatics and Pentecostals fundamentalists. It was founded because some saved men believed the Bible and wanted to follow the New Testament example of what a true church should be. Hah Im really the only reply to this incredible read?! Since you seem to be more of an authority on this, could you recommend some source material which would specifically deal with this from an IBC perspective? In the many books on church history which make up the bibliography for this paper, there is not one recorded incident of a Baptist church beginning founded out of Roman Catholicism. I only know of two. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. Secondly, they believe in a clergy/laity distinction by ordaining so-called Pastors. This is not found in scripture. Biblically neither Deacons or Trustees are a governing body, or a board, but titles of special appointed servants who serve at the will of the pastor and congregation. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. You are correct, I was surprised. G.L. @bob We never shun people who leave the church. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. The rest of it is up to our Heavenly Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. 4.) I dont see a thing wrong with it; He didnt make us to be wooden. They are worlds apart. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. To say there is a unbroken line or succession of Baptist churches from the time of Christ until today cannot be shown from history. That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. I have spoken to my pastor about this, and he insists that its fine for me as a parishioner to come as I am, but he as a pastor should be dressed alittle better, I told him if that is a personal conviction that is fine, but did he have any scripture to support that, of course he didnt. It is difficult to document these congregations because they were rarely in the spot light of history. That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. Those good Church of Christ folks, I have a few friends in that faith, good folks, but as youve so clearly pointed out, completley out in left field as it relates to musical instruments in the church. In examining many so-called early Baptist churches you find many doctrinal errors and false teaching. Like friends of my son who were in Mexico recently. KJB. The word Independent means that the church is not a member of any council, convention or is a part of any hierarchy outside the local congregation. My mother is divorced, as are a few others in the congregation. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. Here ar ethe key words: ought to have done without leaving the others undone, which would mean that tithing is good. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. Not once in the New Testament do you find even a hint that a church was legitimate because it was founded by Paul or called itself by a particular name. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). The entire point of Matthew 15 is Jesus telling the Pharisees that the ceremonial laws were no longer needed since the reason for them (the cleansing of sin) was replaced with Christs eventual death on the cross. (I Corinthians 15:1-4) Further, if a person is truly saved and strictly follows the principles of the New Testament he will in a true sense be a Baptist whether he uses the name or not. But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. History is clear there is no other denomination that has so loved and been faithful to Gods Word as has the Baptists. Our Beliefs JESUS CHRIST Jesus Christ is at the center of everything. The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. Christ suffered and gave His life to save you from hell, it's time you start going to a church that actually believes that.

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